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The Question
airgunhunter850 wrote: "has anyone bought or seen the new crosman titan it claims to have a nitro piston and it in 22 cal but wallyworlds selling them for $145 seems a little sketchy to me since on pyramid air a crosman nitro piston is $100 would it be worth buying"
Community Discussion
Speedturtle wrote: "...claims to be have a Nitro Piston - YES ... 0.22 Caliber - YES and it is called Titan GP. It has the same woodstock as the Benjamin Trail NP hardwood. It doesn't have the Weaver scope rail. It doesn't have the bull barrel shroud. It doesn't have the sling rings. At $149.00 it is IMO a good buy. Cocks hard but the technique is not to hesitate on the cocking cycle. When you do you will feel the hardness of the gas ram at about 50-60% of the cocking motion."
ebolamonkey wrote: "I wonder how you know so much about the Titan GP STurtle."
Speedturtle replied: "...because it was your Titan, you young playful rascal! Just joking."
Scotty wrote: "I was in a Walmart today and they have the Crosman Titan Gp. Only problem is that they only have 1. And it appears to have played with by the employees. The plastic covering has been removed and is now held in place by a couple of pieces of tape. It is a shame because it is one rated at 900fps. When they get in some that have not been opened, I may get one."
shoot356 wrote: "Just a suggestion Scotty - buy that one and when they get more in take it back for 'whatever' reason and trade it for one unopened."
ebolamonkey wrote: "A word about those packaging. Mine was similar as the bottom is very loose so it may appear that someone has already opened it. 900fps is with some stupid light pellet. In reality mine does 740fps or so with CPHPs 14.3 grain. That is around 17 ftlbs which is great for the value."
DRIFTER wrote: "Scotty what shoot356 said, I bought a RS2 & like 2 week's or so later they went on sale, I returned mine an had the better half go get me a new one for half the price! (no reason given) An if I had not just got a Benji Super Streak one of those titan's would sure have a new home with me. Hell I come up with a extra buck fifty I know I'll adopt one!!! (anyone want too buy a powder gun LOL)"
ebolamonkey wrote: "I need to report some issues with the Titan GP. Mine makes some funny grinding sounds when I cock the gun. It makes a very similar noise to the Gamo BC that I returned so I think something is not right with the piston guide. This did not happen when I Chrony this a while ago but it is a recent development. Going to open it up later and have a look to see what is the issue."
diarmadhim wrote: "grinding sounds?? you mean like metal on metal or like when getting a lapdance? Sorry guys, juvenile moment. My wife thinks I'm strange too..."
arbantelope wrote: "The gassy Trail NP is now online at wally world, new addition to their online site."
ebolamonkey replied to diarmadhim: "Like two hot ladies getting it on! I'll need to open her up to see what is wrong inside."
usa43 wrote: "My Big Cat was making the same noise after I had it for a while (about 2500 pellets). Decided to tune er up (first time). De-burred, re-lubed it with moly paste and synthetic oil (seals were still great). Slapped er back together. Smooooth cocking. Very powerful the first few shots, splintered the back side of a 3/4" piece of plywood at close range. Shoots very good, accurate, very smooth action. Guess my tool and die shop experience in my younger days paid off. P.S. Got over 3000 shots through er now still working good. USA43, gettin' into er!!"
ebolamonkey wrote: "That is good usa43! I think it is probably the same problem/issue with the BigCat as the Titan GP. I do not dare to mess with it more right now before I get a spring compressor to see what is going on inside. The gun shot very consistent before this mess and if the barrel is good then this is a keeper so I just hope that the insides are still good without major damage."
vadalejrfan wrote: "Metal to metal eeeeerrrrrkkkkkkkk (not good) Like lap dance oooooaaaaaawwwww (good) good one diarmadhim LMBO"
arbantelope wrote: "I qualify, this needs to be confirmed by someone in the know. A spring compressor may not be needed to dis/re assemble a Nitro Piston rifle. Not sure, but that's what I heard. I have a nitro rifle on my xmas list. :-)"
headhunter wrote: "If anyone could confirm that I'd appreciate it. I've been afraid to look inside my Trail XL since the end cap on the reciever doesn't have a bolt holding it in from the sides, just 2 small screws on the front of it"
diarmadhim wrote: "Remove the two screws... you know you want to... it'll be ok, really... Then tell us all whether or not you can tear it down without a compressor."
ebolamonkey wrote: "I am giving some thoughts to ditching the Titan if it is really screwed up and getting the Trail NP or just refunding the Titan all together. I have now a 177 and a 22. Got my Storm today."
arbantelope wrote: "Can't blame you, especially when manventure is selling the Trail NP woody version for $172 + ship. Far better scope/rail setup, and still gassy as can be, oh and bullish barrel. Alan - NorCal"
ebolamonkey wrote: "Too bad they do not have Bing cashback or anything. It is pretty close to $200 for me with shipping... I really need to take apart the Titan to see if it is a keeper or not. From an economic standpoint the Titan GP with additional upgrades to make it into a Trail NP would be well over $200. TN tax is 9.75% so with tax the Titan GP is $164.61. The 3-9x40 scope that is suppose to come with the Trail NP is retailing at around $70, the 4x32 that comes with the Titan GP is around $30... So an additional $40 (now $204.61) just to have a scope that can match the Trail NP but on a dovetail mount instead of weaver, minus the bull barrel, minus the swivel mounts for a sling, minus the additional (at least 100) fps. Hmmm! Just figured out that the Trail NP is $185.14 shipped for me. That is not even the equivalent value of the scope upgrade! I'm going to have to say bye bye to the Titan GP but I will do a tear-down of it before I let it go to see what the problem was with the Titan."
razz wrote: "I find them to be very powerful really. They are in fact Gas piston as per the GP name. The triggers are bad though, very hard pull. You can learn to creep them but not great for hunting like that. They are and can be very accurate as both mine are shooting quarter size groups at 30 yards with factory triggers. The screws will loosen on these, they are held by 3 screws. The rear trigger guard screw is the most prone, recommend lightly locktiting it or check often. It also has 2 screws on the front cocking area that also will loosen. This with the trigger are all fixable and this gun will perform. I am pounding mine through 1/2 plywood at 35 yards with crosman Premiers. I am going to replace both triggers and that is all she needs. Razz out"
razz wrote: "For my 2 Titans I am ordering the GRT111 trigger which will definetely clean up all issues for now. I have 2 gamo CFX's that are fixed barrel with decent triggers that are nice also. The CFX .22 may have more pop than the Titan not sure, but it is a Springer so the noise factor may play in. The Gas piston won't require any spring compressor and is MUCH quieter than the springer for sure. Less double recoil and you can leave them cocked for hunting. I would take back your dud and get another. That is my 2 cents. Razz. .177 Gamo CFX, .22 Gamo CFX, .177 Gamo Varmit Hunter, .177 Gamo Big Cat, 2 .22 Titans by Crossman, 1 .22 Crossman 2260 rabbit stopper, Crossman 2240 .22 pellet pistol, Crossman 1377 pistol and many other lesser known average power guns."
diarmadhim wrote: "Welcome to the site razz! I'm not sure that the diseased primate will get your advice. I don't imagine him posting too much... at least for awhile, if he can at all."
razz wrote: "Thanks, try to impart a little knowledge and gain some to..."
razz wrote (follow-up): "I just purchased 2 GR111 triggers for my Titans and WOOWWWW... That is accu-trigger adjustable now. That was the guns weakness, horrible heavy long drag triggers, now it is sweet. Best value you can find, 150.00 at Wally World vs 200 plus for the Np's, same piston guaranteed and no more velocity at all. Just figure in a 32.00 trigger and still under 200.00. Razz"
Freysman wrote: "I found one of these at a neighboring Walmart (not the one I usually shop) and couldn't resist the price. I'm very satisfied. I've put about 50 rounds through it, enough to center (if not zero) the scope and plink a few berries off the chinese tallow tree over my back fence. As others have said, it could benefit from a trigger upgrade and a good tuning. It's a bitch to cock. I can tell I'm going to develop some right arm muscle. It came with a Centerpoint 4x32 scope, which also begs for an upgrade to something with less blur on the perimeter of view. It does the trick though. Those tallow berries are about the size of a dime, and it hits them pretty consistently at 10 yards. By the time it has been broken in and zeroed I'm pretty sure this is going to be one sweet rifle. Money well spent. The tree rats and sky rats are going to hate it."
BirdofPrey wrote: "Freysman: On the cocking issue, mine was so hard that it wouldn't break at all out of the plastic covering. I used a rubber mallet to break the barrel open and put PB Blaster in the cocking tab and tapped it with a plastic mallet many times. Some rust came out of it and did this many times til it came out clean. Then lubed with some grease afterwards. It helped, it got better after 250 rounds through it. I also performed a tune and lube to it after the first 50 rounds. Helped out the gun a lot. The GRTIII trigger is a must! Just get it!"
headhunter wrote: "BoP, what did you all do to yours while tuning it? I have my Trail XL apart for a deburr and lube and would like to know if there's anything else that will smooth the shot cycle."
BirdofPrey wrote: "Sorry HH, been out riding on the busa! I took mine apart and polished all of the trigger contact points with a polishing bit from my dremel. I also took out the slide a piston assembly and filed the slide and moving parts then sanded with 600 grit sand paper and then polished for a smooth finish. Then honed lightly the bore and lubed all moving parts. After that I ordered a gold trigger and took the bolt out that you use to set up the trigger and rounded off the tip. It made a nicer trigger! That is it so far."
headhunter wrote: "Anybody tried reducing the piston weight? It's a hell of a piece of metal weighing in at 401 grams, I was thinking of drilling a couple lines of holes to lighten it up a bit"
diarmadhim wrote: "If you do, be careful. Remove too much and I can see velocity dropping. Too little mass on the piston and it will take less from the cushion of air to resist it's forward movement."
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crosman · titan gp · nitro piston · gas piston · trigger upgrade · tuning