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Crosman 1701P Silhouette Pistol ... Crossed the Rubicon - Again: My First PCP Pistol

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The 1701P will be my first PCP pistol and was purchased from John Swenson  of New England Airguns

I selected the 1701 because I wanted a reasonably-sized pistol that I could use for 10-meter shooting one-handed.
Along with having the heft-and-accuracy capability to use-with a two-handed-hold on targets out-to 20-yards.
As such, a Lothar-Walther barrel was imperative to me ... didn’t want to be concerned about potential barrel-related accuracy issues.
Or, having to tinker with my pistol to extract expected precision.
As-is, this little pistol certainly has filled-the-bill for me reasonably well.

My pistol is equipped-with a Crosman/Williams fully-adjustable, square-notch rear-sight.
Installing the rear-sight was simple and straight-forward.
And after mounting, sight alignment at 8-yards was much closer than I had expected to be OFF.
As I found-out while attempting to pop-off some very small pecans while performing a rough sight-in.

If there’s one thing I hate doing ... is sighting-in a new gun.
I dread the process.
With the 1701P ... everything came surprisingly easy-and-quick.
In short-order, I was firing a 3-shot string at 10-meters and was making adjustments along-the-way.

After about 5-strings, I was "ON” at 10-meters.
I got cocky and quickly placed some more targets at 15-yards.
Again, the targets were slightly-smaller than normal-sized pecans.
And, I commenced to-setting the sight-adjustments for 15-meters.

As I attempted to smack some pecans (of course, I missed a few), I noted the placement of the POI.
If I was consistently impacting LEFT ... I corrected-for the misalignment.
By the way, I never had to touch the front-sight ... it remained in-place as it came from the factory.

Being reasonably satisfied-with my “ZERO” being very close.
I put the pistol away until the next day - as it was beginning to cloud-over.
In the morning after the sun was nice-and-bright,  I fired about 20-warmup shots.
Then at the spur-of-the-moment, I selected a freshly-hung paper-target at the 15-yard mark.

I fired-off a shot and heard a satisfyingly clear “ting,” while-at the same time. I saw the target move.
With my binoculars, I noted a POI right-at 6-o’clock, slightly to-the-left, at-the-bottom of the 3-inch target.
I had held the pistol with the whole orange “pumpkin on the post.”
The POA/POI was what I had been employing on the smallish pecans.
As such, the “6-o’clock” POI was correct.

For my next shot, I split-the-pumpkin with the front-sight post and rested the black-diamond of the orange-target on-top of the front sight.
I really took-my-time squeezing this shot-off ... the pellet impacted just as-I-held with a soft “tong” and the target not swinging much.
This last shot confirmed my “final ZERO” ... feeling smug with myself ... I called-it quits for the day - no sense in pushing my luck any further.

Standing Offhand. Two-Handed Hold
Crosman Destroyer 7.4gr
Two-shots at 15-Yards 

i can see your smiling face from my house 

nice post 

Great pistol and nice post.

Bob in WV

Nice! I’m looking to purchase something for my dad, not sure what I’m going to get yet. 

My post was primarily about my first impressions of the 1701P.
I didn’t provide any photos of the gun because it is in OEM configuration.
Exactly as it came out-of-the-box … with the exception of the optional sights.
Anyway, pictures of a box-stock 1701P are very easy to find.

The 1701 arrives sans sights … ya need to select your sights when ordering the pistol.
I made the mistake of omitting the sights … I wasn’t thinking.
But John Swenson proved a set in short-order.

I made no adjustments to the trigger … as-is, right out-of-the-box.
Yes … yes, I know the trigger is adjustable.
I was figuring, the test-fire technician would correct a completely out-of-spec trigger-pull prior to shooting the included target.
Which turns-out to-be, a one-hole group slightly larger than a .177 pellet.
Looks-like two-pellets, out-of-five, were slightly overlapping.
 
A match pistol aficionado/connoisseur will immediately recognize.
The failing of this little airgun will be the trigger mechanism.
It will never have a 500-gram let-off ... that’s nearly the weight of two adult-sized aspirin tablets.
But, for my purposes … that’s OK - I’m not a match shooter.
 
When I first looked-at and held the pistol … the 1701 appears-bigger than it's actual-mass belies.
Oddly, the grips were prominent in-my-mind and rightly-so.
As the grips felt flimsy to-the-hold, have shallow-checkering and were slightly shifting - the screws were loose.
I’m thinking, minimally adequate, the best that I can say about them … they’re grips - that’s it.
 
But for plinking and informal target practice, the OEM-grips are gonna-do OK.
Anyway for a target pistol, the grips are usually the first item to-get-tossed.
Some inexpensive target-grips are on my shopping list.
 
The appearance of the 1701P is-of-being purposeful, no nonsense, uncomplicated ... nothing more than what ya need.
Everything is flat/matt-black … air-cylinder, barrel, front-sight, sight-post base, rear sight-assembly, grips, frame.
Except the receiver … with a dark blue/black luster - even the top of the sight mounting surface is reflective.
Quite a contrast to the rest of the pistol ... the dark blue/black sheeny-finish being the only frill.
 
That aside, the pistol holds-well in-one-hand … even-better with a two-handed grip.
The 1701 exhibits good-balance with a slight weight-bias favoring the muzzle.
Doesn't feel heavy while holding-steady with a one-handed-hold ... but still, quick-to-respond to shooter-input.
 
Over-all, a satisfying pistol … well-worth the expenditure.
However, be cautioned about buying this pistol without first handling-one in-person.
If you’re expecting the refinements of a high-dollar match-grade pistol - this airgun ain’t it.
But, if your priorities are for a serviceable, good-quality air pistol with a match-grade barrel - this is the airgun for ya.
With this pistol, if ya miss-a-shot ... much-more than-likely ... it is YOUR FAULT - not the gun.

Here is a photo of the 1720 to the 1701. The 1720 is like a single shot Prod in size.

I did put a 1720 transfer port in my 1701 for a little while. Off the top of my head

it was about a 150 fps increase. I've since gone back to stock with it.

I also put a set of Vernon Austin target grips in my 1701. Compared to stock.

Going to be an interresting time for you; these are quite good pistols and likely to shoot it alot.

Like you,not a competitor, other than against myself,so wasn't looking for a match pistol.

Are right...the trigger is good,pretty much a P-Rod trigger, but not match-good.

Didn't play around with it too much. Settled on a less pretty set of grips that fit my hand better, shrouded it for a little more quiet, keep to the open sights.

(Actually, it's the older 1700 rather than the 1701....but the trigger got a bit of a rework).

About as large/long as I care to call a pistol or use off hand.

@ribbonstone ... I've seen your pistol before ... very nice sight set-up:

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=149872.msg1531423#msg1531423

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=108805.msg1037795#msg1037795

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=169339.msg155904757#msg155904757

Sure wished Crosman had shrouded the 1701P barrel and alternatively, provided the 1720T Field Target Pistol with an iron-sight option.
Not that the 1701 is loud - it isn't.
However, in OEM FPE setting, it makes itself evident with every shot.
Nearly silent would be nice.

Have been playing with it  for 8-9 years, been posted a time or two. Haven't had any serious complaints, haven't changed anything.

Shroud started off life as part of a wind chime,front sight an old QB front sight (solid...not one of the day glow ones)...done.

Well ... ribbostone, after seeing your 1700 with iron-sights - I wanted something similar.
However, the ideas of a longer sight-radius than the 1701 plus more velocity/FPE was irresistible. 
As-such, I became the owner of a 1720T.

My 1720 is "box-stock" ... right-out of the shipping container.
Did absolutely-nothing to the pistol ... other than, installing the rails and sights.
However, this set-up has resulted in a 16-inch sight radius.
(By-the-way, anyone notice what's wrong with the following photo?)


1720T with Leapers AR-15 Peep-Sights on Pictinney Rails
Front sight rail 13-3/4 inches, Rear sight rail - 1.45 inches

These are a few-shots I took while walking-on the sights on-target.
However, prior to printing-on-paper.
I was shooting at some smallish pecans that littered-the-ground at about 8-yards.
The pecans established my rough sight-in.


Standing, Off-hand, 10-meters, CPHP 7.9gr
The “black marks” at the POIs indicate successive groups ... so I could keep track of additional impacts sites.

Nonetheless, I was surprised at the group-tightness at 10-meters.
And, didn’t see the need for more shot-strings on the same target.
So, I got-cocky and took-aim further-down-range at an old target that was slightly weathered.
But, had no prior POIs.

I took-my-time and fired-off three very careful shots.
I must confess, for this last group, I cheated a bit ... braced my off-hand arm.

Standing, Off-hand Arm Braced Against Window Sill, 15-yards 

I must admit, I didn't expect the results I got.
Didn't think the G.I. peep-sights would be this effective on a hand-gun.
I am very-surprised ... actually, shocked at my 3-shot-group at 15-yards ... and equally-pleased.

Incidentally, I have another 1701P on-order plus a 1720T.
I already have accessory shoulder-stocks for both second pistols.
If ya have the impression,  I like the 1701/1720 pistols -  you're right.

Must be something wrong with mine, it doesn't off hand group like that. 😉 🤣  Nice shooting!!!

@pluric

I hope ya read this:

"I must admit, I didn't expect the results I got.
I am very-surprised ... actually, shocked at my 3-shot-group at 15-yards ... and equally-pleased.
I must confess, for this last group, I cheated a bit ... braced my off-hand arm."

Why do ya think I stopped at three-shots?
I don't think I could produce such a tight 3-shot group at 15-yards ... again.
Sometimes the "stars are in alignment."

Also, the groups I shot at the 10-meter mark was performed rather quickly.
I was just trying to get-a-sense of what adjustments were required.
At the 15-yard distance, I really took-my-time and focused-on concentrating.

The "fly in the ointment" ... did anyone notice what was wrong with my first photo of the 1720T?
Here's a hint:

I had the front-sight on backward.
In this image the sight orientation has been corrected.

After I reviewed the posted photo ... I realized what I had done wrong.
Oh-well, the time spent sighting-in the 1720 was wasted ... or, so I thought.
When I utilize dovetail-to-weaver/pictinney adapters, I've always wondered what-side of the adapter should be oriented towards the fixed-jaw of the pictinney mount.

I try to be consistent, in-this-case I placed the smaller-side of the adapter towards the fixed-jaw of the pictinney-mount.
Once I realized, the front-sight needed to be reversed.
I detached the the front-sight-assembly and turned-it completely around ... I intentionally did not reorient the adapter-base.

I made a single-sight-adjustment, I reduced the elevation on the front-sight ... that is all.
Then, I took a couple-of-shots to see how-far off-zero this little exercise would place my sight alignment.

Note the two unblackened POIs in the black diamond
These were the check-zero impacts after the front-sight was reoriented.

To my astonishment, there was no discernible change-in the POI ... other than the down-shift in elevation I dialed-in.
I was very impressed.

Another "fly in the ointment" ... how I must-hold my 17120T.

Because of the G.I. rifle peep-sights, I use a very unconventional hold.
I grasp the pistol in a closely clutched-in manner.
This hold places the peep-sight as-close to-my-eye as possible ... imagine holding a rifle that's missing the butt-stock section.
My arms are not extended ... rather they are held close-in.
And, both of my elbows are anchored against my lower-body above-the-waist.

The pistol is so-pulled-in ... the trailing-end of the rear-sight can lightly-touch my nose.
This slight-contact helps to stabilize the pistol-hold even-further.
And, the closeness of the peep-aperature helps replicate a rifle-like sight-picture.

Posted by: @aom22

@pluric

I hope ya read this:

"I am very-surprised ... actually, shocked at my 3-shot-group at 15-yards ... and equally-pleased.
I must confess, for this last group, I cheated a bit ... braced my off-hand arm."

Why do ya think I stopped at three-shots?
I don't think I could produce such a tight 3-shot group at 15-yards ... again.
Sometimes the "stars are in alignment."

I play with 10 meter pistols and my 1720 is my "garage gun" for sparrows. So I can appreciate when the stars a line and you hit that magical group. I can appreciate more how hard it is to repeat the performance. 😕 I don't care if a little support was used. That is an impressive group!!!

I've also done the early stop. Meant to do a 5 shot group and stopped at three not to push my luck. 😉 😀  

It is interesting you mentioned sparrows.
That-is the primary-use I intend-for my 1720T and 1701P.
One-of-the-two will accompany me when I take our cats-out for exercise in our backyard.
Gonna help keep-me from being too-bored.  LOL

The 1701P I'm gonna use at 10-meters or less.
While the 1720T at full-power will be employed at ranges out to 15-yards on sparrows
And, maybe out-to 20-yards for Eurasian dove.

Posted by: @aom22

It is interesting you mentioned sparrows.
That-is the primary-use I intend-for my 1720T and 1701P.
One-of-the-two will accompany me when I take our cats-out for exercise in our backyard.
Gonna help keep-me from being too-bored.  LOL

The 1701P I'm gonna use at 10-meters or less.
While the 1720T at full-power will be employed at ranges out to 15-yards on sparrows
And, maybe out-to 20-yards for Eurasian dove.

I use the 1720 at 20-25 yards using the new Hades in a .177. I have a bird feeder that seems to attract more sparrows than song birds. 

Rats hate it too.

For Continued Information:
Crosman  1720T Field Target Pistol with Iron-Sights ... Crossed the Rubicon Again:  My Second PCP Pistol


Crosman 1720T on Crosman Challenger Stock, Regulated 9-FPE, Center-Point FFP Spectrum 3-12X44, Sun Optics Medium Adjustable Rings

For More Information:
Crossed the Rubicon - Twice: First PCP Purchases ... First Fully Adjustable Scope Mounts

When the local sparrows and Eurasian-dove learned the safe stand-off-range from my bird feeders.
They'd take-turns swooping-in to snatch grain and sunflower-seeds from the feeders.
Mobbing the bird feeders to-the-exclusion of the more docile house finches.

I couldn't let this situation stand.  
The synthetic-stocked  1720T extended my precision shooting distance.
Very effective on sparrows and humane on Eurasian dove when employing a head/neck shot with Crosman 7.4gr Destroyer pellets.

However, I'm finding an OEM, unstocked, 1720T is much-more convenient to tote-around while in the backyard.
To this end, I'm planning on-scoping an additional 1720T in the near future. 

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