Got my new scope today! A Leapers 3-9x32, Mil-Dot, AO. So far I'm happy with it. The coolest thing so far.... I can crank it up to 9 and the 10 ring on the match target is still in focus at 10 yd's, in fact I can read the numbers in the rings, and split the 10 ring into 4 sections with the crosshairs, SWEET! $45 at Pyramid Air, for the money it would be hard to beat this scope. I was looking at the Bug Buster but saw this one for less money and it had good reviews so I went for it. The Tasco 6-24x40 that I broke last week I could only take to about 6.5 and the 10 ring was out of focus, so the Leapers is a big improvment for 10 Yd targets. If anyone is looking for a good scope for up close shooting it's the Golden Image 3-9x32. The only thing I don't care for, but is no big deal is the flip up lens caps, when you adjust the eye piece or objective the lens cap turns with it, no big deal tho.
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Congrats on your great scope, Lampy! I have one, too but the 3-9X50 illuminated R/G AO. :thumb: :cheers:
You cant beat Leapers for the price. Im also in the club. 3-9x40 RG AO mildot w/ target turrets on my Big Cat. Congrates!!! You wont be disappointed with it.
haaa, ad me to that list guys i have the Leapers 3x9x50 mil dot w/red and green LIGHTS on my 52. LOL
Glad to be part of this group :thumb:
i'm gonna sound really stupid asking this, but...
what does the AO on scopes mean?
what does the AO on scopes mean?
Adjustable Objective. You can bring an object into focus a different distance's. Also works fairly well for range estimating.
Another benefit of an adjustable objective is compensation for the fact that the reticle crosshairs are considerably closer to your eye than the target. So subtle variations in your head position can make the apparent point of impact shift from shot to shot.
To experience this, hold a single raised finger at arm's length and use it to sight an imaginary target with your dominant eye (the eye that natually stays open when you squint). If your arm were an air rifle, it would fire a pellet dead on target. Without moving your finger at all, switch to your non-dominant eye. Your arm is still perfectly aimed at your target, right? But through the other eye, it looks liike it's off by several inches. This is called parallax error.
The 4 inch distance between your 2 eyes is obviously an exaggerated example, but you get the idea.
Non-AO adjustable scopes are factory preset to compensate for parallax error at pre-determined ranges. Somewhere in the neighorhood of 50 yards for rimfire scopes, 100 - 150 yards for bigger bore firearm scopes. Most airguners are shooting at well under 50 yards, and are most concerned with hundreths of an inch accuracy at the match standard distance of 10 yards. So the fixed parallax adjustments on most non-AO scopes actually amount to built in parallax error for airguners.
AGYoungin: Don't sweat it if the replacement scope you have for your Crosman Pumpmaster isn't AO. As you observed in your other post, the fact that the mount is completely separate from the action on that gun pretty much eliminates any accuracy advantage the parallax adjustment would provide.
To experience this, hold a single raised finger at arm's length and use it to sight an imaginary target with your dominant eye (the eye that natually stays open when you squint). If your arm were an air rifle, it would fire a pellet dead on target. Without moving your finger at all, switch to your non-dominant eye. Your arm is still perfectly aimed at your target, right? But through the other eye, it looks liike it's off by several inches. This is called parallax error.
The 4 inch distance between your 2 eyes is obviously an exaggerated example, but you get the idea.
Non-AO adjustable scopes are factory preset to compensate for parallax error at pre-determined ranges. Somewhere in the neighorhood of 50 yards for rimfire scopes, 100 - 150 yards for bigger bore firearm scopes. Most airguners are shooting at well under 50 yards, and are most concerned with hundreths of an inch accuracy at the match standard distance of 10 yards. So the fixed parallax adjustments on most non-AO scopes actually amount to built in parallax error for airguners.
AGYoungin: Don't sweat it if the replacement scope you have for your Crosman Pumpmaster isn't AO. As you observed in your other post, the fact that the mount is completely separate from the action on that gun pretty much eliminates any accuracy advantage the parallax adjustment would provide.
Another illustration of parallax is to make a circle with your thumb and index finger -- like you are signing OK, and hold it where you can look through it at some stationary object. Holding your hand stationary, shake your head like you are telling your teenager no, they cant have the car tonight. The apparent movement of the stationary object is parallax.
Webster's Dictionary defines it thus: the apparent displacement or the difference in apparent direction of an object as seen from two different points not on a straight line with the object.
It increases proportionally with magnification, and decreases with distance. So if you are using a 12X scope on a target at 10 yards -- you really need to be able to adjust the Objective lense to correct for parallax.
Hope I didn't step on your toes there Mahor h -- I'm social skills challenged you know... :nerd:
Webster's Dictionary defines it thus: the apparent displacement or the difference in apparent direction of an object as seen from two different points not on a straight line with the object.
It increases proportionally with magnification, and decreases with distance. So if you are using a 12X scope on a target at 10 yards -- you really need to be able to adjust the Objective lense to correct for parallax.
Hope I didn't step on your toes there Mahor h -- I'm social skills challenged you know... :nerd:
Got my new scope today! ... The only thing I don't care for, but is no big deal is the flip up lens caps, when you adjust the eye piece or objective the lens cap turns with it, no big deal tho.
Congrats on finding what you were searching for, lampy -- checked it out at PyramidAir and I like it! :thumb: Are those flip-up caps removeable? Looking at the images, they look like they are not an integral part of the scope itself.
Congrats on finding what you were searching for, lampy -- checked it out at PyramidAir and I like it! :thumb: Are those flip-up caps removeable? Looking at the images, they look like they are not an integral part of the scope itself.
I love all my Leapers, great scope, well made and very reasonably priced. The Chinese (I think they're Chinese) have made great strides in optics.
Congrats on finding what you were searching for, lampy -- checked it out at PyramidAir and I like it! :thumb: Are those flip-up caps removeable? Looking at the images, they look like they are not an integral part of the scope itself.
Yes, the caps are removeable. They work ok for bench shooting, once I got the AO dialed in and the other end focused in I put the covers back on, not much need to change them so the lens caps can stay on.
Yes, the caps are removeable. They work ok for bench shooting, once I got the AO dialed in and the other end focused in I put the covers back on, not much need to change them so the lens caps can stay on.
One more question lampy, as best as I have been able to determine, this scope comes without mounts, correct? :confused: If so, I will need to get Medium Rings right? Thanx :yo:
It's been a while, I can't remember if mine came with mounts or not... I'm not even sure if the mounts I have on mine are medium or low..... if I had to guess I'd say mine are low. With the 40mm Objective it just cleared on my Diana, with a 50mm Objective lens medium mounts would be a must.... Leapers customer service might be a better source of Info than my guesses tho :thumb:
thanks Verado and Majorhavoc
you really helped clear somethings up for me
you really helped clear somethings up for me
Actually its a medium mount for a 40mm. The mediums go up to 44mm if Im not mistaken. For a 50mm you have to get the tall/large rings. Also most Leapers scopes dont come with rings. Some will but I think they only come with weaver style rings, and not the dovetail that is on airguns.
It's been a while, I can't remember if mine came with mounts or not... I'm not even sure if the mounts I have on mine are medium or low..... if I had to guess I'd say mine are low. With the 40mm Objective it just cleared on my Diana, with a 50mm Objective lens medium mounts would be a must.... Leapers customer service might be a better source of Info than my guesses tho :thumb:
Thanks skiball, from what I've read in the older posts in this forum a 40mm Objective would require medium rings. However, my question was about lampy's new scope -- the one that he started this thread about. This scope has a 32mm Objective.
Leapers Golden Image 3-9x32AO Rifle Scope, Mil-Dot Reticle, (http://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/Leapers_Golden_Image_3_9x32AO_Rifle_Scope_Mil_Dot_ Reticle_1_Tube/866)
Any idea which rings it would take?
What scope were you talking about lampy???:confused::confused:
Thanks skiball, from what I've read in the older posts in this forum a 40mm Objective would require medium rings. However, my question was about lampy's new scope -- the one that he started this thread about. This scope has a 32mm Objective.
Leapers Golden Image 3-9x32AO Rifle Scope, Mil-Dot Reticle, (http://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/Leapers_Golden_Image_3_9x32AO_Rifle_Scope_Mil_Dot_ Reticle_1_Tube/866)
Any idea which rings it would take?
What scope were you talking about lampy???:confused::confused:
they don't sell this scope on PA anymore correct?
anybody know who still sells it?
anybody know who still sells it?
I decided to go ahead and do it the easy way and e-mailed PyramidAir. In a little over an hour they e-mailed me back (I'm impressed). :thumb: The 32mm Objective does still require medium profile rings. And, as we thought, it does not come with any of any mounting type.
they don't sell this scope on PA anymore correct?
anybody know who still sells it?
youngin, what scope are you asking about? If it is the Leapers Golden Image 3-9x32AO that this thread is about -- or at least it was when it started -- the link to it at PyramidAir is in my post that was just prior to yours.
If you are asking about something different, try http://www.opticsplanet.com/
anybody know who still sells it?
youngin, what scope are you asking about? If it is the Leapers Golden Image 3-9x32AO that this thread is about -- or at least it was when it started -- the link to it at PyramidAir is in my post that was just prior to yours.
If you are asking about something different, try http://www.opticsplanet.com/
I decided to go ahead and do it the easy way and e-mailed PyramidAir. In a little over an hour they e-mailed me back (I'm impressed). :thumb: The 32mm Objective does still require medium profile rings. And, as we thought, it does not come with any of any mounting type.
That's the same Leapers scope I have on my B-3. I used a set of Weaver mounts from Wally's that are perfect for my gun. They only cost about 8 bucks. :nod: The scope clears the receiver by about 1 mm. The flip-up cover for the objective lens won't go on but I don't want to mess with those anyway. The Weaver part no. is 49192 1" Medium .22 and Airgun. The package says "for up to 40 mm objective lens" but any bigger than 32 mm wouldn't work on my gun.
That's the same Leapers scope I have on my B-3. I used a set of Weaver mounts from Wally's that are perfect for my gun. They only cost about 8 bucks. :nod: The scope clears the receiver by about 1 mm. The flip-up cover for the objective lens won't go on but I don't want to mess with those anyway. The Weaver part no. is 49192 1" Medium .22 and Airgun. The package says "for up to 40 mm objective lens" but any bigger than 32 mm wouldn't work on my gun.
Thanks again, shoot. :yo: You always know where the best prices are on just about everything. Something tells me that you've done a lot of exploring! :usa2:
:wave:WT FB
I should have added to that Wally World post the these are not top of the line mounts. They are great for my cheapo B-3 that doesn't have all the recoil your !000X does. They are cheap enough that you can give them a try just to see if they work OK. :nod:
I should have added to that Wally World post the these are not top of the line mounts. They are great for my cheapo B-3 that doesn't have all the recoil your !000X does. They are cheap enough that you can give them a try just to see if they work OK. :nod:
I second Shoot's proviso about light duty mounts on a springer.
For any springer of any power, a one piece mount really seems to help. I had been having all sorts of problems getting my scope to stay put on my break barrel springer. Finally replaced the 2 peice mount with a Leapers one piece from Pyramydair.
It has made a big difference keeping the scope rock steady.
At something like $15, that Leapers one piece mount struck me as a bargain.
For any springer of any power, a one piece mount really seems to help. I had been having all sorts of problems getting my scope to stay put on my break barrel springer. Finally replaced the 2 peice mount with a Leapers one piece from Pyramydair.
It has made a big difference keeping the scope rock steady.
At something like $15, that Leapers one piece mount struck me as a bargain.
Thanks to both of you guys -- I consider y'all my primary fountains of info. To be honest, I had already put the Leapers one piece mount on my Wish List, along with the Leapers Golden Image 3-9x32AO Rifle Scope, at Pyramid Air. Actually, there's a lot of stuff on that list -- hopefully, these are 2 things that will eventually get moved to my shopping cart!! :thumb:
@WT FB, ok, i see it now. thanks for the link
Will this work with the Crosman G1? I have the one piece mount that came with the gun.
Well, you already know the mount fits the gun. So the only thing you have to worry about is the diameter of the scope tube. Most are 1", but a few are 30mm (particularly armoured scopes).
Most Crosman airgun/scope packages come with a Centerpoint scope. I've never heard of a Centerpoint scope that doesn't have a 1" tube.
So I'm guessing that the Leapers will fit your mount just fine.
Most Crosman airgun/scope packages come with a Centerpoint scope. I've never heard of a Centerpoint scope that doesn't have a 1" tube.
So I'm guessing that the Leapers will fit your mount just fine.
Thanks for your reply. I purchased one from OpticsPlanet with a 5% off coupon code (bx5sm9g) and free shipping getting it down to 41.79 to my door.
Thanks for your reply. I purchased one from OpticsPlanet with a 5% off coupon code (bx5sm9g) and free shipping getting it down to 41.79 to my door.
Smart shoppers agree: sweet deal! :thumb:
You should post this in the Bargain Bin forum.
Let us know how you like it. And check in again after 500 rounds. McLuvin' those long term reports.
Smart shoppers agree: sweet deal! :thumb:
You should post this in the Bargain Bin forum.
Let us know how you like it. And check in again after 500 rounds. McLuvin' those long term reports.
Well the scope came yesterday but I didn't have time to do anything with it until tonight. I'm attaching some photos. I was surprised at how large the box was. The scope is larger than the Centerpoint scope that came with my G1. I have posted a photo of the new scope on the rifle and the old scope beside it for comparison.
I didn't do anything really fancy to mount it. I know I could have optically centered it, leveled it, etc, but I can always do that later and I was feeling lazy. So the first target I tried to hit was a box that was 1 foot high by 1 1/2 feet wide. I missed that. I thought I was high but I was actually quite low. So I got a big box that was 3 feet tall by 2 feet wide and shot at that from about 10 yards.
For some reason, I thought that I adjusted the scope by just turning the knobs on the side. I found out those are just covers and then you can turn the knobs with your fingers. I didn't do any calculations, I just spun them around a bunch of times until my shots started moving towards center.
I think I lucked out and hit center, so that's when I got a smaller target and put it up (see attached). I hit it low two times because I had my grip wrong on the gun. At this point, it was 14 yards out and I was resting the gun on a sleeping bag on top of a Waste Management trash bin. The shots grouped nicely and I felt like the scope felt good. I think that's the odd accuracy feeling you get that when you shoot, you expect to see where the shot went and can somewhat call it. With the old Centerpoint scope on my gun, I couldn't do that. I think that scope was broken. These shots were taken with the Crossman hunting field points from Walmart in .177 caliber. The scope's AO adjustment was on 6 yards and the power on 3. I didn't get more time to mess with it tonight but overall I'm happy. I think my next thing to try out is keeping the distance the same and changing the power up to 9 to see if it affects my POI. Then I would like to change the AO around a bit. Then I think it would be good to move the target out a bit further like 20 yards and maybe 35.
The interesting thing with the scope is that I feel compared to the Centerpoint one, this one appears much more durable. I'm sure the Centerpoint scopes are good. I think there must be some price point though that works in there. So when you buy the G1, then include the cheaper scope. Who knows how much it costs to make but I can tell from the workmanship that the Leapers is more rugged.
I didn't do anything really fancy to mount it. I know I could have optically centered it, leveled it, etc, but I can always do that later and I was feeling lazy. So the first target I tried to hit was a box that was 1 foot high by 1 1/2 feet wide. I missed that. I thought I was high but I was actually quite low. So I got a big box that was 3 feet tall by 2 feet wide and shot at that from about 10 yards.
For some reason, I thought that I adjusted the scope by just turning the knobs on the side. I found out those are just covers and then you can turn the knobs with your fingers. I didn't do any calculations, I just spun them around a bunch of times until my shots started moving towards center.
I think I lucked out and hit center, so that's when I got a smaller target and put it up (see attached). I hit it low two times because I had my grip wrong on the gun. At this point, it was 14 yards out and I was resting the gun on a sleeping bag on top of a Waste Management trash bin. The shots grouped nicely and I felt like the scope felt good. I think that's the odd accuracy feeling you get that when you shoot, you expect to see where the shot went and can somewhat call it. With the old Centerpoint scope on my gun, I couldn't do that. I think that scope was broken. These shots were taken with the Crossman hunting field points from Walmart in .177 caliber. The scope's AO adjustment was on 6 yards and the power on 3. I didn't get more time to mess with it tonight but overall I'm happy. I think my next thing to try out is keeping the distance the same and changing the power up to 9 to see if it affects my POI. Then I would like to change the AO around a bit. Then I think it would be good to move the target out a bit further like 20 yards and maybe 35.
The interesting thing with the scope is that I feel compared to the Centerpoint one, this one appears much more durable. I'm sure the Centerpoint scopes are good. I think there must be some price point though that works in there. So when you buy the G1, then include the cheaper scope. Who knows how much it costs to make but I can tell from the workmanship that the Leapers is more rugged.
Looks good
I have a leapers 3/9X40 in the post somewhere..:cool:
the Patriot .25 killed the cheapo job in 118 shots...:mad:
I have a leapers 3/9X40 in the post somewhere..:cool:
the Patriot .25 killed the cheapo job in 118 shots...:mad:
Just re-read your post CarolinaGunner. Really appreciate your thoughts about sighting in your new Leapers, and comparing it to the Centerpoint that came with your G1.
You give a lot of good insight for other airgunners thinking about replacing a cheap rifle package scope with something better, but still affordable.
And I think anyone who's had the pleasure of using a decent, dialed in scope knows exactly what you mean by that "odd accuracy feeling" of being able to call your shots. For me it was my first inkling of my gun's potential for accuracy and shot consistency. Up to that point whatever I did seemed to be a combination of my own very modest ability, plus blind, random luck.
Definitely check back in when you've got a few hundred rounds with that Leapers.
And that's a d*mn fine grouping at 14 yards.:thumb:
You give a lot of good insight for other airgunners thinking about replacing a cheap rifle package scope with something better, but still affordable.
And I think anyone who's had the pleasure of using a decent, dialed in scope knows exactly what you mean by that "odd accuracy feeling" of being able to call your shots. For me it was my first inkling of my gun's potential for accuracy and shot consistency. Up to that point whatever I did seemed to be a combination of my own very modest ability, plus blind, random luck.
Definitely check back in when you've got a few hundred rounds with that Leapers.
And that's a d*mn fine grouping at 14 yards.:thumb: